comes to reform. remember, the union had preachesly agreed earlier this year -- previously agreed earlier this year to a rigorous evaluation system. we know there's good teachers in chicago, but there's many bad teachers, what, 18% of 4th graders read at proficiency level? this is outrageous. gerri: wow, all right. >> we clearly need more reform than this. i don't think the contract is going to do anything to change the underlying problems in the system. gerri: another fact point, data point here, the minutes per day of teacher instruction, minutes per day, think about that, of teacher instruction, the national average, 67,000, and chicago is 52,000. that's an idea of how they stack up with teachers actually doing the job hired to do, which is to instruct the young people. we got a long way to go. if chicago is not the leader, john, in education across the country, where do we look to? >> oh, i think there's many states doing all kind of things.